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Time and Eternity #19 – Predestination vs. Freedom to Choose – An Unfortunate Debate Among Christians

08/29/2018 Posted by Dr. Ralph Rohr Time and Eternity 2 Comments

A Healing Proposal Restated – Predestination vs. Freedom to Choose

This question of God’s sovereign knowledge and our freedom to choose righteousness and life or rebellion and death is especially arduous for minds accustomed to viewing all of reality from the present moment temporal perspective.  Therefore at the risk of repeating myself (which I will do anyway), I think it may be helpful to restate my proposed resolution in a slightly different fashion in this post.

What both sides of this argument have in common is the temporal perspective, and this context guides and strongly influences  interpretation of pertinent scriptural passages.  Neither side has fully appreciated the place of the eternal perspective in Biblical grammar.

One example may help to clarify my point.  Let apparently conflicting passages be analyzed from both the temporal and eternal viewpoints.  Though God speaks from an eternal perspective, He necessarily communicates to people through human language, which is structured and defined in the temporal perspective.  If it is recognized that the Holy Bible expresses both temporal and eternal perspectives by means of time-constrained human grammar, the confusing theological rhetoric of this longstanding argument may be avoided.

A foundational passage of the Calvinist position is Romans 8:28-30.  The context of this passage is important.  In the context of Romans 8, the Apostle Paul’s primary purpose is to reassure Christians of the absolutely and eternally secure fact of their salvation, the chapter beginning as it does with “no condemnation” (Romans 8:1) and ending with “no separation” (Romans 8:38-39).

Those who were formerly slaves to sin may be confident that they are truly children of their heavenly Father.  Romans 8:28-30, understood from both temporal and eternal perspectives, reads as follows.  The author’s personal translation from the Greek with verb parsing is shown after the popular New International Version translation.

(Romans 8:28-30 NIV)  And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.  For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.  And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

(Romans 8:28-30, this author’s translation) And we know (perfect indicative) that to those who are loving (present active indicative) Him, God is causing (present active indicative) everything to work together for good to those called (adjective, dative plural) according to His purpose.  For those He foreknew (aorist indicative active) He also predestined (aorist indicative active) as likenesses of the likeness (the form) of His Son, with the goal that He is being (present active infinitive) the first born among many brothers.  And those He predestined (aorist indicative active), He also called (aorist indicative active); and those He called (aorist indicative active) He also justified (aorist indicative active); and those He justified (aorist indicative active) He also glorified (aorist indicative active).

The underlined verbs in this passage, “foreknew, predestined, called, justified, glorified” are all in the Greek aorist tense, which connotes a completed or finished action, not an ongoing present or potential future activity.  The words are couched in temporal language (“pre-”, “fore-”, etc.) for people who are caught up in time.  The grammar is familiar to those who reference everything from their present moment. But the action is something accomplished (finished) once for all in eternity by God for Whom all of human time in this world of time is seen in a single eternal instant.

The simple fact is that God knows everything that happens in time from beginning to end, because He created the universe with one dimension of time, matter and three dimensions of space.  His knowledge, though described for time-trapped present moment-constrained humans as foreknowledge, might just as well be described as “afterknowledge.”

If it be said that God knows what people will choose, it is equally correct to say He knows what they have chosen in one and the same divine thought.  If God predestines people according to temporally defined grammar, it is equally true that He “postdestines” them.  Predestination, calling, justification and glorification are all completed acts from God’s eternal perspective, and this is the comfort that the apostle is giving to those who are still struggling in historic time.  The comfort is that their perseverance is a known and accomplished fact in God’s mind and that they need not fear that the outcome of their persistence in faith will be anything other than what Christ, Who is Faithful and True, has promised.

It is God’s sovereign knowledge from the perspective of eternity that the Apostle Paul is communicating in human grammar defined by the familiar temporal perspective.  Human presumption interprets God’s language solely from the familiar temporal perspective.  This presumption argues thus, “If God determined before I was born (which He did, since in eternity this is the same as saying that He determined after I died) that I would be saved or damned, then nothing I or anyone else does can alter my destiny.”  This sort of reasoning is deterministic and is borrowed from the mechanistic views of evolutionists and secular atheists who see all life as predetermined according to chance, physical-chemical events and biologic determinism.

Such a view seems to eliminate free will, or freedom of choice, from the human relationship with God.  In fact, it totally destroys relationship and makes God seem to be a horrible Caricature of Love, because He arbitrarily condemns or saves people without any regard to their relationship with Him and responses to Him.  Indeed, in the most extreme form of this theological argument, a person has no choice of whether to trust God, because his or her choice is predetermined by God.  It is this rigid exclusion of freedom as anything more than an illusion, which the Arminian extreme rejects.

But the relationship between God and man cannot be reduced to an initiative of human will, because Scripture clearly states that human will is fallen and so hopelessly reprobate that human beings are “dead” in their sins.  As we have previously recognized in this blog, we enter this world as dead spirits in living bodies.

Dead people cannot choose to respond to God’s grace and love, because they are fearful and unresponsive, even when God comes calling, as He did with the first man and woman (Genesis 3:8-10).  But to those dead in sin there is a promise from God of a Redeemer (Genesis 3:15) and a series of covenants from God, which are intended not to condemn but to save the people of this world.

(John 3:16-17)  For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.  For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

“Whoever believes” clearly implies relationship and a participation of human will in the plan of salvation, in the same way that the first man and woman were given the option of conforming to God’s will concerning the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden.

The first man and woman (Adam and Eve) had the choice to trust God or trust self.  They chose the latter and so were quarantined in the world of death.  We, as their descendants born into the world of death, have the same choice—to trust God or trust self.  The gracious assurance of God is that He confirms our choice from His eternal perspective, as He is equally and continuously being at the beginning and at the end of our time.  Their choice was from the upside of the Fall; our choice is from the downside; but the terms and the consequences are the same—God or self, life or death—just as Moses told the Israelites.

(Deuteronomy 30:19 NNAS)  “I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants,  

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  • Bill & Laurie Furrow
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    01/12/2019 at 5:01 PM

    It seems to me that you are much afraid to let go of the free will choice to follow Jesus. Even in your attempts, thus far, to explain salvation from an eternal perspective your bias toward a free will choice comes through. The simple question I always come back to when discussing this issue with Armenians is, “ What is it in a person that causes them to choose God while another chooses not to? Maybe I will understand your position more after reading the last two posts but so far I don’t see the eternal perspective showing that both sides of the debate are true. I do understand, and thus far agree, that from the eternal perspective the “old Earth\ new Earth” controversy is unnecessary and the “what happens after we die” debate also but I’m not grasping how it helps with the Armenian/Calvinist controversy. Even from the eternal perspective I land in Calvin’s court.
    The important thing is in the eternal picture it doesn’t matter. Believers in the Lordship of our Saviour Jesus Christ are going to Heaven no matter how we came to believe.
    Amen and amen. Praise His Holy name!

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      01/28/2019 at 5:22 AM

      Bill, you state some fundamental propositions of Calvinism well. Indeed, “. . . how we came to believe”—that is the bone of contention in this debate—do we freely choose or does God somehow force our choice of Himself by “electing” us. And argument over this point leads to the distracting question (which theologians seem to be unable to answer), “What it is in a person that causes them to choose God while another chooses not to?” And, “the important thing is in the eternal picture it doesn’t matter . . . how we came to believe,” because “believers in . . . Jesus Christ are going to heaven.” Though important to believers in eternal Heaven, how is it received by those not elected by God to believe?
      But I cautiously and respectfully submit that it does matter what we believe about how God brings us into the gracious inheritance of His family, because what we believe reflects His image, and if our reflection is untrue or distorted, then we misrepresent Him and cause His name to be profaned among the nations (Romans 2:24, Ezekiel 36:20-23, Isaiah 52:5-10). Further, attempts to answer the distracting question about why any one person chooses, or does not choose, God lead to a quagmire of combative religious dogmatism, represented by a hideous flower (TULIP), that completely satisfies no one, and that paints a bizarre human caricature of our glorious sovereign LORD (YHWH, I Am, Jehovah). I am sure that no true slave of Jesus Christ wants to do that.
      Since my perambulations through time and eternity seem to be of no help in relieving the tension of the humanly defined debate over Arminianism vs. Calvinism for you, I will lay them aside and investigate the debate from the pure and unalloyed revealed word of God in Holy Scripture. I realize that I may sound presumptuous in this, since so many people over the centuries, from Calvin to modern theologians R.C. Sproul and John Piper, have presumably already done this, but I pray your gracious indulgence.
      The distracting question about why a person “chooses, or does not choose God” is taken up by both Arminians and Calvinists. The former declare that it is a person’s choice saves, and the latter argue that God saves (elects) without any regard to a person’s will. For the first, salvation is by the agency of man and for the latter salvation (or condemnation) is the sovereign and inscrutable will of God without regard for human will or desire. Each extreme justifies their position by citing Holy Scripture, but it seems to me that neither extreme does justice to the whole counsel of our LORD in His holy word.
      If I am afraid to let go of the free will choice to follow Jesus, it is only because I believe God’s word clearly teaches it. I also believe His word clearly teaches predestination. Much of the church today says I must choose one or the other position, but cannot believe both. Hence the dogmatic argument which I am highlighting in this series of posts. Here is how I see it, and I think this is how John Wesley saw it.
      1. First, I think the Bible teaches the sovereign grace of God in providing fallen humans with salvation and restoration to His family in Paradise.
      2. Second, I think the Bible teaches that men must choose to receive the grace of God if they wish to be saved. If they reject it they are forever separated from God (condemned).
      3. Third, here is a brief select list of familiar scriptures that support my dual position. To understand my response to your comments, you must carefully study the following scriptures.

      God’s Sovereign Predestination
      Genesis 2:16
      Psalm 78:67-71
      Psalm 25:12
      Zechariah 1:16-17, 2 Chronicles 21:7, Job 34:12-15
      John 6:70
      John 15:16, James 2:5
      Acts 4:28, Romans 8:29-30, 9:14-23
      1 Corinthians 2:6-7, Ephesians 1:5, 11
      Ephesians 1-2

      Human Freedom to Choose
      Genesis 2:17
      Deuteronomy 30:19, Joshua 24:15
      Psalm 25:12
      Proverbs 1:28-33, 3:31-33, Isaiah 56:3-7,
      1 Chronicles 28:9, 29:5b, 2 Chronicles 29:31, Isaiah 30:15, 44:24-25, Ezekiel 3:6-7, 20:13
      John 6:67-69, 7:17
      John 15:1-8, 10, 14
      Luke 15:28
      2 Peter 3:9, 1 John 2:1-6
      Hebrews 3:7-4:7, Galatians 6: 7-9

      In beginning, let us remember that Adam and Eve freely chose to reject God’s grace when they sinned and thus received the curse and the promised penalty of death. Even from the enlightened perfection of Paradise in God’s Garden they rejected the will of God. Their descendants may be dead in sin, but the spiritually dead are not insensate (like a body in a coffin) or unable to hear and reason over the appeal of God. After all, does not God send His prophets and Jesus to call the dead to life in Christ?
      If one is honest with Scripture, as exemplified in the above lists, it becomes clear that the Bible teaches both God’s sovereign predestination and the ability and necessity of human beings freely choosing to obey and follow Him in faith. Such teaching is not self-contradictory but complementary when one understands how God’s sovereignty interacts with our free will (which will is part of the divine image we bear).
      Taking the above lists into consideration, it does matter how and why we believe. Indeed, it matters greatly, because how we believe either reflects the glorious love of our LORD (Jehovah) for His chosen people, or it diminishes His name by not being a true reflection of Him. Jesus tells us we “are the light of the world,” so let us take care to understand how and why we believe so that our wonderful Savior and Lord of all the earth may be glorified among men and they may respond to Him in faith.
      The crux of this whole debate is what is meant in Holy Scripture by the word “predestine” (Gr. proorizo, to decide beforehand, to predetermine). I have shown that His divine omniscience and perspective from the beginning and end of this fallen world of space-time is the basis of His predestination, and therefore that such predestination does no injustice and does not force us into any destiny against our wills. But that is not the point I wish to pursue here. The point here is what and how does God predestine in the terms and context of His holy word, the Bible?
      We are indeed chosen and predestined before the foundation of the world (before space-time began), just as Paul proclaims in Ephesians 1:4-5 and repeats over and over in the remainder of Ephesians chapters 1 and 2. Many Calvinists (how I detest such labels) I have known think they were personally and individually predestined to salvation before they were even conceived without any regard to their personal will, behavior or choices in this life. For them it is necessary that God basically ordains them into Paradise before He created the world.
      But that is not what the apostle says. Ephesians 1-2 proclaims clearly and repeatedly that we are chosen “in Christ,” not in ourselves. Christ is the I AM, the eternally present tense Jehovah. Christ exists (and existed) before the world was created. But we did not exist before the foundation of the world. Therefore, the Bible teaches the only sensible predestination—that we were chosen “in Christ,” as a careful reading of Ephesians 1-2 will show. The phrase “in Christ” encompasses the unspeakable gift of God’s grace and our receiving the gift by faith (Ephesians 2:8).
      Being predestined “in Christ” opens up a harmony of God’s sovereign will with our human wills (which, after all, are created in His image) to freely choose to believe and obey, or reject and disobey, the LORD. God is sovereign, no doubt about that, but His divine sovereignty is not the brute senseless and unloving force of a human tyrant. Our LORD’s sovereignty is His amazing time-encompassing omnipresence and omniscience that enables Him to accomplish His will by incorporation of all the various freely willed human choices throughout history. Surely this is a more powerful and glorious sovereignty than TULIP-crazed dogmatists can imagine. This is Wesley’s point, that God sovereignly gives humans a choice, and predestines them to the consequences of their freely chosen destinies—IN CHRIST!
      Wesley goes on to say that this is the limit of predestination, “But other predestination than this, either to life or death eternal, the Scripture knows not of . . .”
      Where Scripture stops is where we must stop. Derived doctrines like irresistible grace, unconditional election, limited atonement, and forced perseverance of saints are contrary to the gracious predestination of God IN CHRIST as He woos His children in love. His love for His fallen children is beautifully pictured to His prophet Hosea. If God’s will were the only consideration in salvation or condemnation, as the TULIP dogmatists insist, then everyone would be saved and no one would be condemned, because God plainly declares that it is His will that none perish but all come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9). Our God is love (1 John 4:16), which is why He is lovingly “patient with us” (2 Peter 3:9) and lovingly exhorts us to faith and obedience (Hebrews 3:7-4:13). God ordains and predestines our free wills in love, “For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.” (1 John 5:3)
      Perhaps now we can answer the question about what it is within a person that causes him or her to receive or reject the grace of Jehovah God. It is not the sterile unencumbered rational decision of the Arminians, nor is it the forced predestined choice of the Calvinists. It is, quite simply, and perhaps somewhat irrationally—LOVE, just as the apostle that Jesus loved (John 21:7) so eloquently wrote to us:
      1 John 4:7-21 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. (8) The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love. (9) By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him. (10) In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. (11) Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. (12) No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us. (13) By this we know that we abide in Him and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit. (14) We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world. (15) Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. (16) We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. (17) By this, love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment; because as He is, so also are we in this world. (18) There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love. (19) We love, because He first loved us. (20) If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen. (21) And this commandment we have from Him, that the one who loves God should love his brother also.
      We love God because God in Christ has first loved us. This is the sovereign initiative of Jehovah God, for He is love (8b). Our love for Christ is our acceptance of Jehovah God’s proposal of marriage. This is why the Bible refers to the Church as the bride of Christ (Isaiah 54:5, 62:4-5, Jeremiah 31:31-32, John 3:28-36, Revelation 19:6-9, 21:1-2, 9-11, 22:17). The relationship of the elect to Jehovah God is all love, “for God so loved the world . . .” (John 3:16). As Peter said, “love covers a multitude of sins” (1 Peter 4:8 and Proverbs 10:12), and I would add that love covers (makes unnecessary) a multitude of confusing human dogmas.

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  • Time and Eternity #21 – Predestination vs. Freedom to Choose – An Unfortunate Debate Among Christians 08/29/2018
  • Time and Eternity #20 – Predestination vs. Freedom to Choose – An Unfortunate Debate Among Christians 08/29/2018
  • Time and Eternity #19 – Predestination vs. Freedom to Choose – An Unfortunate Debate Among Christians 08/29/2018
  • Time and Eternity #18 – Predestination vs. Freedom to Choose – An Unfortunate Debate Among Christians 08/28/2018
  • Time and Eternity #17 – Predestination vs. Freedom to Choose – An Unfortunate Debate Among Christians 08/27/2018
  • Time and Eternity #16 – Predestination vs. Freedom to Choose – An Unfortunate Debate Among Christians 08/27/2018
  • Time and Eternity #15 – Predestination vs. Freedom to Choose – An Unfortunate Debate Among Christians 08/23/2018
  • Time and Eternity #14 – What Happens To People When They Die? (2) 05/07/2018
  • Time and Eternity #13 – What Happens To People When They Die? (1) 05/07/2018
  • Time and Eternity #12 – Death In Time or Life in Eternity 05/06/2018
  • Time and Eternity #11 – The Bible In Time and Eternity 05/05/2018
  • Time and Eternity – #10 – From Eternity Into Time, and Back 05/03/2018
  • Time and Eternity – #9 – Complementary Truths – Two Kinds of Life 05/02/2018
  • Time and Eternity – #8 When We Die . . . Eternity Eclipses Time 04/10/2018
  • Time and Eternity – #7 The Comprehensive Biblical Timescape 04/09/2018
  • Time and Eternity – #6 Our Limited Timescapes 04/09/2018
  • Time and Eternity – #5 What Is a Timescape? 04/09/2018
  • Time and Eternity – #4 The Grammar of Time and Eternity 04/09/2018
  • The Age of the World Argument: An Alternative – 17 03/19/2018
  • The Age of the World Argument: An Alternative – 16 03/19/2018
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  • The Age of the World Argument: An Alternative – 1 03/12/2018
  • Creation, Evolution, Age of the World–START HERE 03/11/2018
  • Before You Begin–Examine Your Presuppositions 03/10/2018
  • Time and Eternity – #3 What’s the Difference 11/28/2017
  • Time and Eternity – #2 Where Is God? 11/27/2017
  • Time & Eternity – #1 Entropic Death or Eternal Rest? 11/26/2017
  • Time and Eternity – Introduction 11/21/2017
  • Evolutionists’ Contra-Faith #5 – Against Reason 10/02/2017
  • Evolutionists’ Contra-Faith #4 – Biased Discovery 10/02/2017
  • Evolutionists’ Contra-Faith #3 – Darwin Defines Huxley and Modern Evolutionists as Creationists 09/20/2017
  • Evolutionists’ Contra-Faith – #2 Darwin’s Dilemma 09/06/2017
  • Evolutionists’ Contra-Faith #1 – What Is True? 08/24/2017
  • The Truth About God 07/23/2017
  • So, what is truth? 07/18/2017

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  • Age of the World
    • Before You Begin–Examine Your Presuppositions
    • Age of the World–START HERE
    • The Age of the World Argument: An Alternative – 1
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    • The Age of the World Argument: An Alternative – 3
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    • The Age of the World Argument: An Alternative – 17
  • Evolution’s Contra-faith
    • Evolution’s Contra-Faith #1 – What Is True?
    • Evolution’s Contra-Faith #2 – Darwin’s Dilemma
    • Evolution’s Contra-Faith #3 – Darwin Defines Huxley and Modern Evolutionists as Creationists
    • Evolution’s Contra-Faith #4 – Biased Discovery
    • Evolution’s Contra-Faith #5 – Against Reason
  • Time & Eternity
    • Time and Eternity – Introduction
    • Time & Eternity – #1 Entropic Death or Eternal Rest?
    • Time and Eternity – #2 Where Is God?
    • Time and Eternity – #3 What’s the Difference
    • Time and Eternity – #4 The Grammar of Time and Eternity
    • Time and Eternity – #5 What Is a Timescape?
    • Time and Eternity – #6 Our Limited Timescapes
    • Time and Eternity – #7 The Comprehensive Biblical Timescape
    • Time and Eternity – #8 When We Die . . . Eternity Eclipses Time
    • Time and Eternity – #9 – Complementary Truths – Two Kinds of Life
    • Time and Eternity – #10 – From Eternity Into Time, and Back
    • Time and Eternity #11 – The Bible In Time and Eternity
    • Time and Eternity #12 – Death In Time or Life in Eternity
    • Time and Eternity #13 – What Happens To People When They Die? (1)
    • Time and Eternity #14 – What Happens To People When They Die? (2)
    • Time and Eternity #15 – Predestination vs. Freedom to Choose – An Unfortunate Debate Among Christians
    • Time and Eternity #16 – Predestination vs. Freedom to Choose – An Unfortunate Debate Among Christians
    • Time and Eternity #17 – Predestination vs. Freedom to Choose – An Unfortunate Debate Among Christians
    • Time and Eternity #18 – Predestination vs. Freedom to Choose – An Unfortunate Debate Among Christians
    • Time and Eternity #19 – Predestination vs. Freedom to Choose – An Unfortunate Debate Among Christians
    • Time and Eternity #20 – Predestination vs. Freedom to Choose – An Unfortunate Debate Among Christians
    • Time and Eternity #21 – Predestination vs. Freedom to Choose – An Unfortunate Debate Among Christians
  • Death
    • Death #1 – Is the End of Life
    • Death #2 – Death as Terminus
    • Death #3 – Death as Terminus
    • Death #4 – Death as Terminus
    • Death #5 – Death as Goal
    • Death #6 – Death as Goal
    • Death #7 – Death as Goal
    • Death #8 – Death as Goal
    • Death #9 – The Fear of Death
    • Death #10 – The Biblical View of Death
    • Death #11 – Just Falling Asleep and Waking Up
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